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[G1] The reason why Galvatron was nuts..
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Lockar
2006-08-27 13:05:42 UTC
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Do you think the writers of season 3 of Transformers G1, wrote
Galvatron to be nuts because he is such powerfull and didn't know how
to handle that over sight.

What are your thoughts?


-Lockar
Steve-o Stonebraker
2006-08-27 18:00:12 UTC
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Post by Lockar
Galvatron to be nuts because he is such powerfull and didn't know how
to handle that over sight.
What are your thoughts?
I think they could have easily just made him less powerful for season
three. Either with no explanation at all -- most likely -- or by saying,
"oh, with Unicron he's weaker" or "the fight with Rodimus permanently
damaged him" or whatever.

I imagine they made him crazy because they felt like writing a crazy
villain. :)
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Kil - Michael McCarthy
2006-08-27 18:06:29 UTC
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Post by Lockar
Galvatron to be nuts because he is such powerfull and didn't know how
to handle that over sight.
What are your thoughts?
Perhaps they were just wanted to go for something different, to have a
different kind of Decepticon leader than Megatron.

Not that Megs was a paragon of mental stability his own self.


-Kil
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FortMax
2006-08-27 18:42:02 UTC
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Post by Lockar
Galvatron to be nuts because he is such powerfull and didn't know how
to handle that over sight.
What are your thoughts?
-Lockar
I rember reading somewhere that the reason the writers made him insane
for season 3 was "the powers that be" thought Movie Galvatron was too
dark for a kids show. This was the Eighties, after all.

I can't recall if the cannonical reason was ever stated, but the theroy
I hear the most is that his insanity was the result of him being in the
plasma on Thrull (I think) for about a year.

In TRoOP, his insanity seemed to have been cured along with the Hate
Plauge. Heck, in "The Rebirth", he came up with a plan that was right
out of Megatron's play book. In season 3, when Galvatron actually had a
plan-to-destroy-the-Autobots, it was usually nowhere near as
overly-complicated as the ones Megatron often came up with.

FortMax
Omegasupreme
2006-08-27 20:56:54 UTC
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The reason for his insanity was explained for me logicaly. First he
suffered a form of brain damage when he was defeated at the end of the
movie. This is seen when the cons pick him up on the asteroid also
numerious times as he is seen with an obvious short in his head.
(sparkes and such shooting out). Also in Madman's paradice (or web
world I forget which) its explained he has brian damage. well the
robotic form of it.

The reason for doing is simple IMHO. First it makes him more
unpredictable, this leads to a more intresting villian. Also you can
get the old starscream/ Megatron fight going by doing the
galvatron/Cyclonus. Granted Cy never really tried to upstart his
comander but at times he had to oppose him to save the cond from him.
made an intresting side bar. As far as being too dark Im not sure GI
Joe went with supentorwho was way more dark than Cobra comander.

Anyway he was cured at the end of rebirth and seemed more like megatron
than galvatron but also a bit more honorable... still time will tell.
Lockar
2006-08-27 23:25:53 UTC
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Yeah, in Web World it was explained that he has brain damaged
from the plasma. But I was just wondering if they wrote him to be
crazy because of how powerfull Galvatron was.

He has enough power to take out one Transformer if he wanted to.
:/

-Lockar
Post by Omegasupreme
The reason for his insanity was explained for me logicaly. First he
suffered a form of brain damage when he was defeated at the end of the
movie. This is seen when the cons pick him up on the asteroid also
numerious times as he is seen with an obvious short in his head.
(sparkes and such shooting out). Also in Madman's paradice (or web
world I forget which) its explained he has brian damage. well the
robotic form of it.
Deathsauras
2006-08-28 02:38:00 UTC
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Here's my 2 cents.

I always felt it was the TF writers revenge for killing off so many
Transformers in the 1986 movie.

The TF Writers got attached to the 1984 & 1985 transformers. the
writters made both season 3 leaders losers/incompetent to get even.

I liked megatron's spark in the super powerful galvatron body in the
movie. From the little we saw of rodimus's persona in the movie. Movie
Rodimus persona reminded me of Lion-O from the Thunder cats.

It's odd that the season 3 TF writters made Hotrod more smarter &
stronger than rodimus prime. I got the impression that if there was a
way for Hotrod & Rodimus Prime to fight. Hotrod would out smart him &
be more powerful.

After all Hotrod defeated the Matrix powered Scourge. Hotrod even
defeated the Zombie matrix powered Prime. I got the impression the TF
season 3 writters would have made Rodimus lose both battles.
Velvet Glove
2006-08-28 12:49:45 UTC
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Post by Deathsauras
Here's my 2 cents.
I always felt it was the TF writers revenge for killing off so many
Transformers in the 1986 movie.
The TF Writers got attached to the 1984 & 1985 transformers. the
writters made both season 3 leaders losers/incompetent to get even.
Except Flint Dille worked heavily on the Movie script (he's credited as
Story Consultant) and wrote Five Faces of Darkness which sets up the
Season 3 leadership dynamics.

I think it's fairly obvious that what they were trying to do was to
create something completely different from the old leadership dynamics.
So Optimus Prime, the heroic icon and paragon of All That Is Good And
Right, became replaced by Rodimus Prime, a flawed hero who struggled
with the responsibility of leadership and actually had room for
character development--somebody for the kids to identify with.
Megatron, a respectable but generic villain, became Galvatron, a
literal psychopath. Instead of Starscream trying constantly to
undermine the Decepticon leader, we have Cyclonus who is doing his best
to shore Galvatron up and compensate for his more irrational moments.

I'm not entirely sure that the attempt at a different kind of villain
was successful with Galvatron (although I do love the loon), but I've
always found Rodimus a lot more palatable than Optimus Prime's brand of
hero.

Velvet Glove (both Autobot Leaders were benevolent dictators when you
get down to it, but at least the writers allowed the Autobots to
question Rodimus Prime's orders on a regular basis).
Lockar
2006-08-30 01:35:31 UTC
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I see your point about Rodimus, the troops did question him more
then they did of Prime. The more and more I think about, making
Galvatron insane did give it a more feeling compared to Megatron. But
I will say Magatron was a better leader.

-Lockar
Post by Velvet Glove
I'm not entirely sure that the attempt at a different kind of villain
was successful with Galvatron (although I do love the loon), but I've
always found Rodimus a lot more palatable than Optimus Prime's brand of
hero.
Velvet Glove (both Autobot Leaders were benevolent dictators when you
get down to it, but at least the writers allowed the Autobots to
question Rodimus Prime's orders on a regular basis).
Steve-o Stonebraker
2006-08-27 21:06:42 UTC
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Post by FortMax
I rember reading somewhere that the reason the writers made him insane
for season 3 was "the powers that be" thought Movie Galvatron was too
dark for a kids show. This was the Eighties, after all.
I don't know... That sounds like the kind of theory that some fan
probably just pulled out of his ass at some point and is now getting
passed around. Movie Galvatron isn't really "dark" at all in my opinion
anyway. He's just a villain.

--Steve-o
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Kil - Michael McCarthy
2006-08-27 23:19:41 UTC
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Post by Steve-o Stonebraker
Post by FortMax
I rember reading somewhere that the reason the writers made him insane
for season 3 was "the powers that be" thought Movie Galvatron was too
dark for a kids show. This was the Eighties, after all.
I don't know... That sounds like the kind of theory that some fan
probably just pulled out of his ass at some point and is now getting
passed around. Movie Galvatron isn't really "dark" at all in my opinion
anyway. He's just a villain.
A boring, generic villain whose voice is that of a boring, generic villain
and not at all "badass." In my opinion, of course.


-Kil
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O***@gmail.com
2006-08-29 19:59:57 UTC
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Post by Lockar
Galvatron to be nuts because he is such powerfull and didn't know how
to handle that over sight.
Because they threw Leonard Nimoy into a lava pit, and they got an
insane Frank Welker out of it. :D

And I dunno, Galvy never seemed too damned powerful to me. What'd he do
in the movie? *Really?* He shot Starscream and killed him. Thassit.
It's not like he was any more powerful than he was as Megs, if the
beginning is any indication. (Brawn's 'shoulder,' man.) The only other
death Galvy even truly causes in the movie is Ultra Magnus's, and
that's because he orders to the Sweeps to pull him apart.
Chad Rushing
2006-08-29 20:16:59 UTC
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Post by O***@gmail.com
And I dunno, Galvy never seemed too damned powerful to me. What'd he do
in the movie? *Really?* He shot Starscream and killed him. Thassit.
It's not like he was any more powerful than he was as Megs, if the
beginning is any indication. (Brawn's 'shoulder,' man.) The only other
death Galvy even truly causes in the movie is Ultra Magnus's, and
that's because he orders to the Sweeps to pull him apart.
I think that IF Galvy had not gone insane and IF the animated fiction
could tell about a *real* war between the TF factions, Galvy would have
been one scary guy. He would have been turning Autobots into crumbling
ash right and left.

In the movie, he was a powered-up version of Megatron -- whose fusion
cannon had already been just about the most powerful, individual weapon
in TF battles -- with more focus and less pomposity. Of course, those
latter two qualities might have just been the result of the plot in the
movie being rushed due to lack of time (or Leonard Nimoy's excellent
voice). Also, his alt mode was now a full-blown cannon rather than a
hand-held (either TF-scaled or human-scaled) gun.

- Chad
Lockar
2006-08-30 01:38:38 UTC
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LOL!

Well you have a point there that I didn't think of. I guess
because we saw him transform and shot Starscream in one shot basicly
turning him to dust. Where Megatron just shot though their body, which
is another topic alone.

-Lockar
Post by O***@gmail.com
Because they threw Leonard Nimoy into a lava pit, and they got an
insane Frank Welker out of it. :D
And I dunno, Galvy never seemed too damned powerful to me. What'd he do
in the movie? *Really?* He shot Starscream and killed him. Thassit.
It's not like he was any more powerful than he was as Megs, if the
beginning is any indication. (Brawn's 'shoulder,' man.) The only other
death Galvy even truly causes in the movie is Ultra Magnus's, and
that's because he orders to the Sweeps to pull him apart.
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